If the "Mann" household is seperate from Wm Warnes' House hold, why is Wm Warnes shown as Head against Thomas and Elizabeth Mann?The Wm Jary here is probably the son of Jacob and Mary--Davison--Jary, b. abt 1819, and apprenticed to either Wm Warnes or Thomas Mann, but who is the Wm Jary aged 15,--- b. abt 1826?--- in the Susan Starling Household?

regards, Bob

Bob's question was in regard to this household:

27	High St	Wm Warnes	M	60	Mariner	Y	(Self)
		Rose	F	40		Y	Wm Warnes	End of family mark (/) after line
		Thomas Mann	M	37	Mariner	Y	Wm Warnes
		Elizabeth Mann	F	26		Y	Wm Warnes
		Wm Jary	M	21	Sea App	Y	Wm Warnes?	See below

Page	Name	Age	Comments
27	Wm Jary	21	(Mann household) There is an end of dwelling mark (//) on Elizabeth Mann's line, but no digit in "Inhabited" column next to Wm Jary's name to indicate a new household.

Here is an excerpt of the census page showing the entries (click the image to enlarge it):

Excerpt from 1841 Blakeney census: the Wm Warnes household

I interpreted the single mark through the first two letters of Thomas Mann's name as an "end of family" mark, whereas the double lines on the line with Elizabeth Mann's name look like an "end of household" mark to me. That makes me think that the Manns lived with Wm & Rose Warnes; two families in one household. I haven't researched this family, but I suspect that Elizabeth Mann may have been the daughter of Wm Warnes. (Or perhaps Rose Warnes's sister?)

If it is indeed an "end of household" mark at Elizabeth Mann's name, I would have expected to see a digit in the "Inhabited" column next to Wm Jary's name (similar to the one next to Wm Warnes's name) to indicate the start of a new household. But there is no mark in that column, and this is why I put a question mark in the table when I transcribed it. It's not clear to me whether Wm Jary was part of the Warnes household, or if he lived by himself.

I don't think that this William Jary was the son of Jacob & Mary Davison Jary, however. From the hand-written index of the Stiffkey Register (NRO PD492, HMN6-364: F-L): "Jarey, William son of Jacob & Mary, buried 16 Apr 1819, aged 2 weeks." So I don't know who this William Jary was. We have no other William Jarys in our file that come close to being the right age. (That's not to say we don't have the data somewhere; I just may not have put it into our iFamily file yet. That's one of the reasons we started this site, to catch things like this.)

In answer to Bob's second question, I think the Wm Jary enumerated in Susan Starling's household may have been her nephew, William Richard Shepherd Jary, born 2 October 1823, and christened 5 October 1823 in Blakeney. He was the son of Susan's brother, John Jary (b ca 1800) and his wife, Peggy Baines. (Blakeney Baptisms 1813-1840; NRO PD619; MF691/30). This William would have been about 18 years old, but remember that the 1841 enumerators' instructions were to record ages from 15 and under 20 years as 15 years. Those instructions weren't followed in many instances, but perhaps they were in this one.

A Cess-Pool eight feet deep, near five feet diameter, twenty feet from the stable-wall arched over, was made in the year 1767. The drains from the house, and the drain from the stable empty themselves into it.

When the Offices were built in September 1757. An arched-brick-drain 12 inches at the bottom and 14 inches high in the clear was made from the sink-stone runing (sic) by the north-wall of the brew-house, and receiving into it the water from the pantry, powdering-room, and larder, it goes out under the threshold of the brewhouse-door, on the outside of the threshold is a cess-pool, into which a stone hangs to hinder the return of the stink, the drain is continued through the yard to the cess-pool 20 feet from the stable-wall.

Source:

Blakeney General Register 1729-1791. NRO; PD619. MF691/27.

Daughter: Margaret Stirges NEWBEGIN
Born: 20 Feb 1811 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [11]
Baptised: 22 Feb 1811 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [11]

Daughter: Maria NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 11 Feb 1813 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [1o, 11]

Son: Thomas NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 16 Oct 1814 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]

Son: Francis NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 09 May 1816 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]

Daughter: Maria NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 09 Aug 1817 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]

Daughter: Hannah Matilda NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 11 Apr 1819 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]

Son: Horatio NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 13 Nov 1820 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]
Spouse: Catherine JARY Peeps (1811 - ) [12]

Son: Nevison Stirgess NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 26 Apr 1822 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]

Son: Zachariah NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 24 Dec 1823 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]
Died: aft Mar 1851 [13]
Spouse: Maryann (Unknown) (abt 1826 - ) [13]

Daughter: Roda Matilda NEWBEGIN
Baptised: 11 Oct 1825 at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England [10]

Sources

Note: Not all of the sources below were used in this post, but I copied the list over from the census article so the numbers would match between the two. There are additional sources at the bottom of this list (numbers 11-13) that weren't used in the census article.

• [1] Stiffkey Register Index. NRO. PD492. HMN6-364: F-L
• [2] Blakeney Parish Registers Marriages 1813-1837. NRO. PD619. MF692/4
• [3] Blakeney Parish Registers Baptisms & Burials 1807 - 1812. NRO. PD619. MF691/29
• [4] Morston Parish Registers. NRO PD478. 1700-1812: Registration of Baptisms 1700-1811; Registration of Marriages 1701-1754; Burials 1700-1812. (Microfiche)
• [5] Blakeney Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1840 PD619 MF691/30
• [6] Marriage certificate: Thomas Dew & Jemima Jary. GRO. 1858 Mar Erpingham. Vol 4b, Page 85, Entry no. 127.
• [7] NRO. Probate 1800-1857. Archdeaconry of Norwich Court, 1813; Probate of William Cozens. Microfilm.
• [8] Norfolk Marriages. Hamlin, Philip. Norfolk Family History Society. 2002. CD-ROM.
• [9] Morston Parish Registers Baptisms 1813-1900. NRO. PD478. MF1000/11
• [10] Cley-Next-the-Sea Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1841. NRO. PD270 MF694/22
• [11] Cley-Next-the-Sea Parish Registers: Baptisms & Burials 1779-1814. NRO. PD270 MF694/21
• [12] Blakeney Parishes Register Marriages 1837-1900. NRO. PD619 MF692/5
• [13] 1851 England Census

Source:

Blakeney General Register 1729-1791. NRO; PD619. MF691/27.

• Sarah Maria (Jacob*), Maria Ann (Plattin), Jane (Dew), Naomi (later Naomi Bond)
• James Collins of Strood, Kent
• John Thompson of Blakeney, Mariner
• John Norman of St Catherines Middlesex, Ship Agent
• Henry Ramm, Clay (sic), Mariner

Sarah Maria's married surname was written as "Jacob" in this document, but in the probate of her son, Jacob Jacobs (available from the same site) it is written, and she signed, as "Jacobs."

18th September 1813
Jane Dew and Naomi Cozens two of the within named Executrix's were sworn in due form of Law before the Rev'd John Burrell clk ("clk" scored through) Sure:

At Runcton 21st Sept'r 1813
Sarah Maria Jacob and Maria Ann Plattin two other Executrixes within named were sworn in due form of Law before the Rev'd P. Johnson clk ("clk" scored through) Surr: to the Affl.?
Effects under £100
(Power reserved for James Collins the Executor within named to act hc?)
Ex'd Robt Powley, Jr (signature)

Source:

Norfolk Record Office. Probate 1800-1857. Archdeaconry of Norwich Court, 1813; Probate of John Murrell, William Cozens. Microfilm. Image online: Norfolk Sources Images GS_0173389/17964.jpg and GS_0173389/17965.jpg

Update 20 May 2010: A new version of the image & PDF file is available. Thanks go to Robert Price for pointing out that I had incorrect marriage information for Edward Murrell Baines (son of Edward Baley Baines). The new image & PDF file have the correct information for his marriage, as well as that of his cousin, Edward Murrell Baines (son of Murrell Baines).

The post about the 1841 Blakeney census led me to revisit the 1837 marriage of Jacob Jary (son of Lane & Anne Southgate Jary)[1] and Sarah Baines, which was witnessed by John Baines and Deborah Baines.[2] Jacob & Sarah Jary had a daughter the following year and named her Deborah,[3] so I figured the name was significant in the Baines family.

We have some of the Blakeney parish registers on microfilm, so I started looking for Baines baptisms. I soon found the record of the birth and christening of Sarah Claxson Baines, daughter of "Wm & Mary Baines late Claxson" in 1817.[3] I also found several other baptisms and christenings of children of this couple, including that of a son, John, in 1812,[5] and a daughter, Deborah, in 1819,[3] who were probably the wedding witnesses.

I also found several records of the children of another Baines couple, John & Sarah (Murrell) Baines. I kept looking, and soon found the baptism record for William, son of "John & Sarah Banes late Murrel" in August 1792.[4] This couple also christened two daughters with the name Deborah, both of whom died in childhood.[4]

It became apparent that I was looking at multiple generations of the Baines family, and it didn't take long to get confusing. I decided to start a chart to help me visualise all the connections. (Click the image for a larger version; a zoomable PDF is available for download here.)

Descendants of John Baines & Sarah Murrell

The chart contains two generations of the descendants of John and Sarah Murrell Baines. The information in it was taken from parish registers and the 1841, 1851, and 1861 England censuses. It is by no means complete or definitive, and we welcome corrections and/or additions. (We're also happy to furnish complete source citations to researchers of this family; just drop us an email.)

Going back to the name Deborah, what this chart does not show is that William and Deborah Warnes, late Baines, named a son Frederic DeRidder Warnes in Feb 1812.[5]

In December of that year, Fradrik and Mary Baines DeRidder baptised a daughter, Maria.[5]

Naming their child Frederic DeRidder Warnes suggests that William and Deborah Baines Warnes had a close relationship with Fradrik and Mary Baines DeRidder. I suspect that Deborah and Mary were sisters, and that John Baines, husband of Sarah Murrell, may have been their brother.

Estimating his year of birth from the 1841 census, John Baines would have been born around 1765. I have looked back into the mid-1700s in the Blakeney registers, but the earliest Baines baptism I have found (so far) has been the one mentioned earlier of William Baines, son of John & Sarah Murrell Baines, in 1792. As our microfilm collection grows (hint to Santa), we may find them in one of the surrounding parishes.

Sources:

• [1] Morston Parish Registers Baptisms 1813-1900. NRO. PD478. MF1000/11
• [2] Blakeney Parish Registers Marriages 1813-1837. NRO. PD619. MF692/4
• [3] Blakeney Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1840. NRO. PD619 MF691/30
• [4] Blakeney General Register 1789-1809. NRO. PD619. MF691/28
• [5] Blakeney Parish Registers Baptisms & Burials 1807 - 1812. NRO. PD619. MF691/29

As mentioned in our introductory page, one of the reasons for doing this blog is to help us with the upkeep of our genealogy file. While compiling that post, I realised that we did not have Henry & Naomi's son, Thomas, recorded in our file. We also had a record of another daughter, Anna, who was not enumerated with the family in 1841.

Anna was baptised in Blakeney in 1833. If she was baptised shortly after her birth, she would have been around the same age as Thomas. We don't have a copy of the burial register for that time period yet, so we don't know if Anna died* before June of 1841. It's very possible that she did.

But the puzzle is Thomas's baptism - where and when was it? I went back through the film of the baptism register to see if I missed Thomas's baptism. I couldn't find it. I could only find Anna's, on Aug. 24th 1833. (That's not to say I haven't overlooked Thomas's, but I have checked up to the end of that register in 1840.)

We know Anna was baptised around eight years before the 1841 census. Thomas's age in that census was recorded as eight years, so by my reckoning, Anna was baptised around the time Thomas was born. If she was baptised in Blakeney, I'd have thought he would have been, too, although he could have been baptised in Cley or some other nearby village. As a note of possible relevance, Henry Bond's occupation as listed in Anna's baptism record was "Glazier."

So, Thomas's baptism date and location is a mystery. I'll update here if & when we find out the answer.

Source:

Blakeney Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1840 PD619/6 MF691/30

The census was to be a list of all persons who spent the night of 6 June 1841 in the house, not necessarily of all persons who lived in that house. If a man was at sea overnight, he was probably not listed in his household with the rest of his family.

Page numbers are as printed on the images. In the interest of readability, long comments are noted below the main table.

This will be an ongoing project, and I'll update it as our research catches up.

Comments

*Great page on enumerators' instructions here

Sources

• [1] Stiffkey Register Index. NRO. PD492. HMN6-364: F-L
• [2] Blakeney Parish Registers Marriages 1813-1837. NRO. PD619. MF692/4
• [3] Blakeney Parish Registers Baptisms & Burials 1807 - 1812. NRO. PD619. MF691/29
• [4] Morston Parish Registers. NRO PD478. 1700-1812: Registration of Baptisms 1700-1811; Registration of Marriages 1701-1754; Burials 1700-1812. (Microfiche)
• [5] Blakeney Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1840 PD619 MF691/30
• [6] Marriage certificate: Thomas Dew & Jemima Jary. GRO. 1858 Mar Erpingham. Vol 4b, Page 85, Entry no. 127.
• [7] NRO. Probate 1800-1857. Archdeaconry of Norwich Court, 1813; Probate of William Cozens. Microfilm.
• [8] Norfolk Marriages. Hamlin, Philip. Norfolk Family History Society. 2002. CD-ROM.
• [9] Morston Parish Registers Baptisms 1813-1900. NRO. PD478.  MF1000/11
• [10] Cley-Next-the-Sea Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1841 PD270 MF694/22

Blakeney Sunday 27 October 1772 about three o'clock in the afternoon it thundered very much the claps louder than usual, the wind south-west by west, at half an hour past three o'clock there fell a storm of hail, the hail-stones exceeding large, some measured (by report) four inches in girth, they broke a part of all the glafs windows fronting the west, some the windows they damaged exceedingly, at Langham they did great mifshief to the glafs-windows, in pafsing over the fields they cut the turnip-tops.

The storm continued no longer than five minutes (I think) it went off to sea, did no damage at Wiveton, nor at Cley.

Henry Calthorpe, Rector

The image below is a timeline of the all the events in Jemima Jary Dew's life which we have been able to document to date. Seventeen events. That's not much to go on in trying to reconstruct a lifetime.

Documented events in Jemima Jary's life

Still, these seventeen lines give us a glimpse of Jemima's life. She was thirty-three when she married Thomas Dew, who was 41 at the time. According to their marriage certificate, Thomas was a bachelor, and Jemima was a spinster. Thomas's occupation was given as "Mariner" and there was a ditto mark below that for Jemima's occupation. Presumably, then, they were both mariners when they got married. (Image excerpt & discussion of Jemima's occupation here.)

There are so many questions hidden in these seventeen lines.

Why hadn't either of them married earlier? There could have been any number of reasons. I like to think it was because they were waiting for each other.*

What caused the deaths of their infant sons? They were both buried on the same day; did they both die on the same day? What happened? Was it illness? A fire? Were both Thomas and Jemima there when they died, or was Thomas at sea and did Jemima have to endure it alone, then break the horrible news to Thomas when he came back into port?

It appears that Jemima and Thomas moved to Blakeney between the time of the 1861 census and the birth of their son, Jacob Jary Dew, in 1864. Her mother died in 1863 in Cley-next-the-Sea, so the move could have been after that. What prompted the move?

Jemima died when their son was only five years old. The cause of death was tuberculosis, so she was most likely ill for some time before her death. What must that time have been like for the family? Who took care of her? Did she know she was probably going to die and leave a young son? Was she part of the decision that Jacob should live with his aunt, Mary Taylor Dew Irland, or did Thomas decide that after her death?

And what became of Thomas after Jemima's death? Did he remarry? We have been unable to find him so far  in documents between Jemima's death in 1869 and his own death in late December 1880 at the Union Workhouse and burial at Blakeney in January 1881.

Jemima and Thomas had about eleven years of marriage together before her death. It's probably safe to assume that for at least part of that time, Thomas was at sea, hence Jemima's enumeration in the 1861 census in her mother's household. Presumably, then, there were some lonely days and nights for both Jemima and Thomas. In that respect, their lives probably weren't much different from those of their neighbours.

We know they endured tragedy with the deaths of their sons, and there had to have been sadness and fear as Jemima fell ill and it became evident that she was going to die.  I hope they had times of great joy during those eleven years as well.

Sources:

• 1851 England Census. The National Archives, Kew. District 5b, Cley-next-the-Sea. Household 52.  [Class:  HO107; Piece: 1809; Folio: 709; Page: 13; GSU roll: 207461-207462.] (Image from Ancestry.com)
• 1861 England Census. The National Archives, Kew. District 12, Cley-next-the-Sea. Household 156. [RG9; Piece:  1203; Folio:  166; Page:  22; GSU roll:  542774.] (Image from Ancestry.com)
• 1871 England Census The National Archives, Kew. [Class: RG10; Piece: 1854; Folio: 23; Page: 20; GSU roll: 838814.] (Image from Ancestry.com)
• Marriage certificate: Thomas Dew & Jemima Jary. GRO. 1858 Mar Erpingham. Vol 4b, Page 85, Entry no. 127.
• Marriage certificate: Samuel Jarvis & Adelaide Jary. GRO. 1854 Mar Erpingham Vol 4b, Page 97
• Cley Next the Sea Parish Registers: Burials 1855–1908. PD270 MF695/5. P10: No 80 & P11: No 81
• Death certificate: Jemima Dew. GRO. 1869 Dec Walsingham. Vol 4b, Page 197.
• Cley Next the Sea Parish Registers: Burials 1855–1908. NRO PD270 MF695/5 P 20, No 159
• Death certficate: Thomas Dew. GRO. 1881 Mar Walsingham. Vol 4b, Page 211.
• Blakeney Parish Register: Burials 1855 - 1900. NRO. PD619 MF692/7. Page 41 and Page 67; 1880-1.

*(It should probably be noted that the engineer half of this blog - the direct descendant of Thomas and Jemima - cringed at the mushiness of that sentence. But it's staying.)