Descendants of John Baines & Sarah Murrell
Update 20 May 2010: A new version of the image & PDF file is available. Thanks go to Robert Price for pointing out that I had incorrect marriage information for Edward Murrell Baines (son of Edward Baley Baines). The new image & PDF file have the correct information for his marriage, as well as that of his cousin, Edward Murrell Baines (son of Murrell Baines).
The post about the 1841 Blakeney census led me to revisit the 1837 marriage of Jacob Jary (son of Lane & Anne Southgate Jary)[1] and Sarah Baines, which was witnessed by John Baines and Deborah Baines.[2] Jacob & Sarah Jary had a daughter the following year and named her Deborah,[3] so I figured the name was significant in the Baines family.
We have some of the Blakeney parish registers on microfilm, so I started looking for Baines baptisms. I soon found the record of the birth and christening of Sarah Claxson Baines, daughter of "Wm & Mary Baines late Claxson" in 1817.[3] I also found several other baptisms and christenings of children of this couple, including that of a son, John, in 1812,[5] and a daughter, Deborah, in 1819,[3] who were probably the wedding witnesses.
I also found several records of the children of another Baines couple, John & Sarah (Murrell) Baines. I kept looking, and soon found the baptism record for William, son of "John & Sarah Banes late Murrel" in August 1792.[4] This couple also christened two daughters with the name Deborah, both of whom died in childhood.[4]
It became apparent that I was looking at multiple generations of the Baines family, and it didn't take long to get confusing. I decided to start a chart to help me visualise all the connections. (Click the image for a larger version; a zoomable PDF is available for download here.)
Descendants of John Baines & Sarah Murrell
The chart contains two generations of the descendants of John and Sarah Murrell Baines. The information in it was taken from parish registers and the 1841, 1851, and 1861 England censuses. It is by no means complete or definitive, and we welcome corrections and/or additions. (We're also happy to furnish complete source citations to researchers of this family; just drop us an email.)
Going back to the name Deborah, what this chart does not show is that William and Deborah Warnes, late Baines, named a son Frederic DeRidder Warnes in Feb 1812.[5]
In December of that year, Fradrik and Mary Baines DeRidder baptised a daughter, Maria.[5]
Naming their child Frederic DeRidder Warnes suggests that William and Deborah Baines Warnes had a close relationship with Fradrik and Mary Baines DeRidder. I suspect that Deborah and Mary were sisters, and that John Baines, husband of Sarah Murrell, may have been their brother.
Estimating his year of birth from the 1841 census, John Baines would have been born around 1765. I have looked back into the mid-1700s in the Blakeney registers, but the earliest Baines baptism I have found (so far) has been the one mentioned earlier of William Baines, son of John & Sarah Murrell Baines, in 1792. As our microfilm collection grows (hint to Santa), we may find them in one of the surrounding parishes.
Sources:
- [1] Morston Parish Registers Baptisms 1813-1900. NRO. PD478. MF1000/11
- [2] Blakeney Parish Registers Marriages 1813-1837. NRO. PD619. MF692/4
- [3] Blakeney Parish Registers: Baptisms 1813-1840. NRO. PD619 MF691/30
- [4] Blakeney General Register 1789-1809. NRO. PD619. MF691/28
- [5] Blakeney Parish Registers Baptisms & Burials 1807 - 1812. NRO. PD619. MF691/29
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Delighted to find this article regarding Baines. Written by Pam Peake??
I ask this as in the past I have been in contact with Pam re the de Ridder (De Redder) - Baines connection. In 2005 she gave myself and cousins a wonderful guided tour of Blakeney. A day I will always will treasure.
I would love to discuss this article as I have done research on the Baines De Redder(de Ridder) family histories.
One question: In Jonathon Hooton's 'The Glave Ports' page160 -- letter sent by 42 merchants in Cley ----5th Sept 1728 --- complaints regarding offical quays --- future all imports and exports to be handled at a new quay belonging to Mr Baynes, which had lately been erected. Do you know of any records of early Cley, mentioning this family of Baynes (Baines) ? Sincerely, Barb de Ridder, NZ.
Dear Barbara,
I wrote the article & made the diagram with information from the Blakeney parish registers & censuses, but I thank you for the compliment of thinking it may have been Pam's work. I consider that high praise, as her research is amazing, and she's been very helpful to us as well.
Since posting this article, we've received more microfilms, completing our collection of the Blakeney & Cley parish registers, and I've been going through them slowly, making notes on familiar names. Here's what I've found so far on the Baines family in Cley: (please keep in mind I have probably missed some!)
Cley next the Sea General Register 1686-1744 (NRO PD270 MF694/19)
Burials
1735
Anne Daughter of Henry Baines Bur[ie]d 9th Decemb[e]r
1738
No. 1; Frances Daug[hte]r of Robert & Mary Baynes 8th April
Christenings
1738 Henry Son of Robert & Mary Baines 28th Jan[uary]
Cley next the Sea General Register 1744-1779 (NRO PD270 MF 694/20)
Burials
1757
Robert Baynes gent[leman] was bur[ie]d Nov[embe]r 6th.
I know it's not a lot, but I'll continue to keep an eye out as I go through the registers. Also, I haven't been through the earlier registers in detail yet, because 1) the writing is very small and our film reader is a bit fiddly when it comes to lens changes, and 2) I'm not great at reading Latin.
Kind regards,
Carol Dew
Recently, I have been tracing my Blakeney ancestors and I found the table showing the descendants of John Baines and Sarah Murrell on this site very useful. We visited St Nicholas Blakeney graveyard last year and took photos. I have now discovered that nearly all the Baines graves we saw are those of my distant ancestors via John Murrell Baines ( born 1829 died aged 37 in 1866 of TB ), my great great grandfather, although I didn't find his grave. Also, according to the Baines/Murrell family tree, John Murrell Baines' grandfather was John Baines who was born in approx. 1766. There is a grave of a master mariner John Baines at Blakeney who died aged 76 in 1844. It has an interesting inscription starting "He troublesome to some became". Because the dates more or less match up, I wondered if this was my great great great great grandfather, husband of Sarah Murrell, and what he did to merit this! We're on holiday in Norfolk from 20th to 27th February and will have another look.
Regards,
Caroline Morton
Hello Caroline,
That's certainly a very interesting quote on the inscription. Have you been to the History Centre of the Blakeney Area Historical Society? I reckon if anyone can tell you whether that was the same John Baines, and what the inscription referred to, it's Pamela Peake.
In fact, I'm just looking at the article about local mariners that Pam wrote in The Glaven Historian (Volume 7; 2004. "The Highs and Lows of living in Blakeney"). Pamela mentions the memorials in the Blakeney churchyard as being of "three generations of master mariners" starting with John Baines, d. 1844. Murrell Baines (your John Murrell Baines's father, I believe) is mentioned as being one of John's sons, but it doesn't appear that either he or his son John Murrell Baines have a memorial in the churchyard.
The article focuses on the master mariners in the family, but there is also interesting information on other members of the Baines family (and I wish I'd remembered we had this when I made the chart). If you can't make it to the History Centre while you're there, Crabpot Books in Cley probably has it.
I hope you enjoy your holiday in Norfolk!
Kind regards,
Carol Dew
I also have Murrells in my family tree. Robert Benjamin FOX married Elizabeth MURRELL, at Blakeney, 1st Feb. 1843.Elizabeths parents were Francis M. Murrell, and Margaret Maria, nee CUSHIN--Cushing?) also at Blakeney.
Sarah Ann JARY--who married Francis BAINES in 1842--was the sister of Ann Rebecca Jary, unmarried mother of Henry Jary, born 6.July 1847. at Walsingham Union House.
( I have not found a baptism for Henry anywhere.)
Although there are the connections to both Baines and Murrell families individually, I have not been able to find a link to the Baines-Murrell family discussed here.
Perhaps someone can help with this.
On a seperate issue-------
Henry Jary married Mary Ann FOX, --daughter of the above Robert Benjamin -- in 1868.
In 1881 census, he was in South Shields, as a Boarder with his mother Ann Rebecca , then married--to Henry Futter( or Futton or Potter?) I believe her husband to have been the father of Henry Jary, but how can I substantiate that?
best regards
Bob Price
Hi Bob,
Do you know if the Francis Baines who married Sarah Ann Jary in Stiffkey in 1842 might have been Francis Murrell Baines, son of William & Mary Claxson Baines? Their family was in Morston at the time of the 1841 census. The only reference for this marriage I have is http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/documents.php?district_id=23&document_id=4937 so I don't know who his parents were.
I wish I knew the answer to your question regarding Henry Jary's father. The only thing I can think of would be a check of the Great Snoring parish registers for Henry's baptism, but you've probably already done that.
Kind regards,
Carol
My great-grandparents were John Murrell Baines and Mary Coppin. They had one son, Charles Herbert Baines. He left Norfolk and moved to Middlesbrough where he married a Mary Scarlett. They had 7 children, Charles (who married Jemima), Clifford, Albert, Joseph William, Thomas and Robert and Bertha Louisa. I knew little of the Baines family history except that my grandfather was thought to have come from Norfolk. As all the other branches of my family are to be found in North Yorkshire, Durham and Scotland this possible link to East Anglia has always been fascinating. We have always wondered about what took Charles Herbert from Norfolk to North Yorkshire other than the opportunities in the iron foundaries of the new town of Middlesbrough attracting many incomers. There is a link between Norfolk fishermen and Filey, Yorkshire so perhaps they also sailed further north to the ports on the Tees and the Durham coast.
Sarah Murrell was baptised in 1769 at Necton, her parents were John Murrell and Susanna Dickerson (although this may be Dickson or Dickinson) who were married in 1767 at Holme Hale which is the neighbouring village to Necton.