Comments on: John & Ann Jary. And John & Ann Jary. http://ancestorsofcley.com/2009/10/john-jary-times2/ Dew, Jary, and associated families of the Norfolk coast; circa 1600s through 1800s Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:22:22 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: CleyAncestors http://ancestorsofcley.com/2009/10/john-jary-times2/comment-page-1/#comment-69 CleyAncestors Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:40:17 +0000 http://ancestorsofcley.com/?p=71#comment-69 Hi Bob, My table layout may not have been the best choice of presentation of the data, and I apologise if it led to confusion. In the notes under the census table, I refer to Susan Starling as probably having been the Susannah Jary who was the daughter of John Jary (bap 1767; Stiffkey) and Ann Whitaker. Susannah was baptised in Morston on 30 Jul 1803. (That, of course, leads to the question of her being listed as 30 years old in 1841, but they were supposed to round to the nearest 5 years on the 1841 census, I think ... and she may have been a little "younger" that day, too.) The Susannah Jary (bap 1784; Cley) who married Benjamin Butters in 1815 was the daughter of John Jary (bap 1744; Stiffkey) & Ann Savage. John & Ann Savage Jary also had a son, John (of course!) baptised 1767; Stiffkey, who married Ann Whitaker. And THEY, in turn, had a son, John (bap 1800; Morston), who I believe was the John Jary who married Peggy Baines in Blakeney in 1823. I suspect that the William Jary enumerated in Susan Starling's household was their son, William Richard Shephard Jary, born 2 Oct 1823 in Blakeney. If I've got my generations straight, he would have been Susan Jary Starling's grand-nephew. I think I need a chart of these generations; it took me an hour to go back through my file & figure this out - it is so confusing. Regards, C Hi Bob,

My table layout may not have been the best choice of presentation of the data, and I apologise if it led to confusion.

In the notes under the census table, I refer to Susan Starling as probably having been the Susannah Jary who was the daughter of John Jary (bap 1767; Stiffkey) and Ann Whitaker. Susannah was baptised in Morston on 30 Jul 1803. (That, of course, leads to the question of her being listed as 30 years old in 1841, but they were supposed to round to the nearest 5 years on the 1841 census, I think ... and she may have been a little "younger" that day, too.)

The Susannah Jary (bap 1784; Cley) who married Benjamin Butters in 1815 was the daughter of John Jary (bap 1744; Stiffkey) & Ann Savage.

John & Ann Savage Jary also had a son, John (of course!) baptised 1767; Stiffkey, who married Ann Whitaker. And THEY, in turn, had a son, John (bap 1800; Morston), who I believe was the John Jary who married Peggy Baines in Blakeney in 1823. I suspect that the William Jary enumerated in Susan Starling's household was their son, William Richard Shephard Jary, born 2 Oct 1823 in Blakeney. If I've got my generations straight, he would have been Susan Jary Starling's grand-nephew.

I think I need a chart of these generations; it took me an hour to go back through my file & figure this out - it is so confusing.

Regards,
C

]]> By: CleyAncestors http://ancestorsofcley.com/2009/10/john-jary-times2/comment-page-1/#comment-68 CleyAncestors Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:44:29 +0000 http://ancestorsofcley.com/?p=71#comment-68 Hi Bob, This is where we can thank these wonderful ancestors for giving their children the same names generation after generation! If I've deciphered everything correctly, here's how it goes: John Jary (bap 1767) was the brother of Jacob (bap 1779), and the father of Jacob (bap 1791). John (bap 1767) and Jacob (bap 1779) were the sons of John (bap 1744) & Ann Savage Jary. John (bap 1744) was the son of William & Elizabeth Jary (who also had a son named Jacob; bap 1751) Hope this makes more sense! :) Kind regards, Carol Hi Bob,

This is where we can thank these wonderful ancestors for giving their children the same names generation after generation! If I've deciphered everything correctly, here's how it goes:

John Jary (bap 1767) was the brother of Jacob (bap 1779), and the father of Jacob (bap 1791).

John (bap 1767) and Jacob (bap 1779) were the sons of John (bap 1744) & Ann Savage Jary.

John (bap 1744) was the son of William & Elizabeth Jary (who also had a son named Jacob; bap 1751)

Hope this makes more sense! :)

Kind regards,
Carol

]]> By: Bob Price http://ancestorsofcley.com/2009/10/john-jary-times2/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Bob Price Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:20:00 +0000 http://ancestorsofcley.com/?p=71#comment-65 Additional to my previous observation---the gap between Susan "Starlings" children Thomas and Ann---11 years--- would also seem to indicate two marriages. A pity the '41 Census doesn't clarify the surnames of the children! Additional to my previous observation---the gap between Susan "Starlings" children Thomas and Ann---11 years--- would also seem to indicate two marriages.
A pity the '41 Census doesn't clarify the surnames of the children!

]]> By: Bob Price http://ancestorsofcley.com/2009/10/john-jary-times2/comment-page-1/#comment-64 Bob Price Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:05:05 +0000 http://ancestorsofcley.com/?p=71#comment-64 Another puzzle (for me at least) is Susan Starling( 1841 Blakeney Census. You comment that this is the daughter of John and Ann --Southgate--Jary, who married Henry Starling. However in the story of the two John Jarys and two Anns, the Summary of the children of John Jary and Ann Savage shows Susannah as "Butters"! Was Susannah twice married, and if so, who came first--Butters or Starling? Before marriage( answering my own question in previous response) Susannah had son William.( he was 15 at 1841 Census) Either Butters or Starling could have been Williams father. Another puzzle (for me at least) is Susan Starling( 1841 Blakeney Census.
You comment that this is the daughter of John and Ann --Southgate--Jary,
who married Henry Starling.
However in the story of the two John Jarys and two Anns, the Summary of the children of John Jary and Ann Savage shows Susannah as "Butters"!
Was Susannah twice married, and if so, who came first--Butters or Starling?
Before marriage( answering my own question in previous response) Susannah had son William.( he was 15 at 1841 Census) Either Butters or Starling could have been Williams father.

]]> By: Bob Price http://ancestorsofcley.com/2009/10/john-jary-times2/comment-page-1/#comment-63 Bob Price Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:58:37 +0000 http://ancestorsofcley.com/?p=71#comment-63 Having looked at the summary of the family of John and Ann(Whittaker?) Jary, it seems highly unlikely that John Jary---baptised 1767,--- was the father of a Jacob Jary baptised in 1779---John was only 12 yrs old!!!!! Far more likely is that this Jacob, was the son of the Jacob Jary who was baptised at Blakeney, 23 June 1751, and thus would be the grandson of William and Elizabeth (Sherey) Jary! Having looked at the summary of the family of John and Ann(Whittaker?) Jary, it seems highly unlikely that John Jary---baptised 1767,--- was the father of a Jacob Jary baptised in 1779---John was only 12 yrs old!!!!!
Far more likely is that this Jacob, was the son of the Jacob Jary who was baptised at Blakeney, 23 June 1751, and thus would be the grandson of William and Elizabeth (Sherey) Jary!

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